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zac solomons

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Do you like your job?
« on: September 20, 2007, 09:28:04 PM »
I hope you dont mind me posting this, but this seems like the best place to find out about the different jobs in the Green Building world. I am thinking about Green Building as a possible career and i am interested in knowing what you think the the pros and cons are, and what sort of person you need to be to do the job(s).

I am a couple of years out of uni and have tried a few different jobs. I have a bit of building experience and some green building experience. I like physical work and i enjoy technical challenges. I am not that numerate or very good at drawing.   

Obviously 'do you like your job?' is a big question and though i would love big answers i realise you are busy people. Answers to any of the following questions would also make my day:
 

1) What kind of experience/education is needed to get a job with a green builder? I have heard the CAT course is very good, and there are countless green building workshops out there, but i already some of that type of experience. I wonder if getting a job with a 'non green' builder would be more useful in terms of experience.

2) How long did it take before people here set up on their own or with partners? What experience did they have?

3) Is it possible to make a living building houses with interesting basic materials like straw and unfired earth outside of a workshop context?

4) Most people i have spoken to or worked with say that green high tech materials and standards are more expensive than the standard mass produced stuff. How does one make a profit in this case? Is a 'just' a design problem or do the market and laws have to change before green building is truly viable?   

5) How much time does sorting planning permission and complying to building regulations really take up. Does it take the interest and fun out of the job? 

6) I think i would enjoy the creativity in solving practical problems, and also the sense of building something solid, attractive and useful. What do you like about your job?


Well lots of questions there! Answers to any of them would be deeply appreciated. Zac   

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Re: Do you like your job?
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2007, 06:19:39 PM »
Hi Zac

Yes a lot of questions!

I reply with two hats on; as one that runs a green building company & the other as someone in architectural practice. So will tackle all of your questions. Others may have other specific advice but here's mine for what it's worth-take of leave it.

1) No experience needed to get a job with any builder if you are prepared to go as a builders labourer, just brawn. This will give you an insight into building generally, but as you state, you have some experience. Can't beat lots of site experience with a good building company who have a variety of interesting jobs on the go (even better if green). If you can work towards gaining a trade-even better. I did joinery at night school for 2 years, coupled with working on site, which gave me the trade and made me more employable. Very few unqualified people working on a trade are allowed to work on site now, other than builder's labourers.  So get a trade-min of 2 years training. As an employer, I would be looking for someone with, or willing to work towards having the basic conventional building trade skills as not all jobs will be green ones. The reality is that green building skills come with experience. Short courses will give you a grounding or insight but that's all, so don't think there's a quick way of learning a skill. You have answered the question your self. Getting a job with a non green builder is a start but even better with someone that is working on green projects.

2) We set up our building company as qualified trades people/professionals and then got into green building by learning & experimenting over a period of time. One still has to do a decent job, get paid & earn a living, so be good at what you do first before you try the experimental stuff. We've been in business for 18 years and we are still learning both conventional & green building skills. Our apprentices all attend college to learn their trade and pick up the green skills on site or on courses we send them on.

3)Making a green living; Yes, but in reality one needs a wealth of experience to go on your own in business. Our business can not rely solely on green building work but we try to influence all our projects when we can, educating other professionals and working with clients to build more sustainable buildings. If you want to go into building speculative green housing there's a whole lot of skills you'll need other than basic building. Walk before you can run!

4) Economies of scale: that's why green building materials tend to be more expensive but not all ways. Things are getting better as green building materials are becoming more accessible and affordable. It would be pointless tendering/pricing for a job using green building materials when your competitors are not, you'll price your self out of the job. We tender for conventional jobs and once we've secured them then we work on the clients or architects. As we are known as green builders we do get asked to work on green jobs & we do offer a design & build package if needed, only because we have the in-house professional skills to do so. It takes a long time to build up a good reputation but short time to loose it! Green building is viable now if the client wants the produce. Market forces apply.

5) Planning & building Reg's can take a little longer. Planning should not take any longer than conventional design. There is occasionally opposition to new materials/techniques but on the whole a clear thought through case made should win objectors round. B Reg's can be a little problematic-I've had to spend a lot of time on some jobs explaining how straw bale buildings, impact foundations, or composting toilets work etc. I don't find it takes the fun out of it, as you're spreading the word. Yes it can be frustrating some times, coming up against people who refuse to learn or change their opinions but that's the challenge before most of us.

6) Both the design process and the building process is incredibly rewarding. Doing as green as you can is immensely satisfying with it's unique feel good factor attached-plus it's fun. Can't beat it. 

If you are really interested in learning green building skills then go for it, get your experience and make it happen.

Good luck Zac. 
Peter Wilkinson

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Re: Do you like your job?
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2007, 11:35:23 AM »
Zac

I think Peter has put things very well, and said much of what I might.  I did craft training as a joiner in my 30s, eventually ran my own building company (mostly small works) in partnership with a qualified and experienced plumber.  I am now partner in an environmentally orientated building company, and a director of a company selling environmental building products.

The most important thing a 'green' builder needs to be is a good builder.  A good bulder will be getting the job right, not cutting corners and understanding why they are doing things.  Get a good grounding with a good builder who prides themselves in doing the job right.  Get qualified (as with Peter, we send our younger employees to do NVQ craft training or we have one doing HNC) - but remember that a qualification is no substitute for experience.  I have known NVQ qualified people who were largely useless due to lack of experinece.  If you can work with a builder who is environmentally orientated, of course this will be more interesting for you, but not the most important thing initially.

And just to answer that other bit of the question: I love my job, and am constantly fascinated by all I am learning - mostly at the moment around passivhaus detailing, fenestration and so on.

The industry will continue to need experienced, able and thoughtful builders.  I hope builders will achieve a better status in the UK in the future - they should have.  Done well, building is a highly skilled and very important job. 

Go for it, and hope you enjoy the career!

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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2007, 08:14:16 PM »
Dear Chris and Peter thanks so much for your encouraging and informative replies. You've given me a much clearer picture of what the whole things about, and how to get into it. I like the idea of joinery too. Also its good to know that you guys are still learning and interested in the job. Never want to get stuck in a job thats the same every day!

Thanks again
zac

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Re: Do you like your job?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2007, 12:36:49 PM »
Zac

One other point.  If you do go into a career in the industry, of course also join the AECB to keep you at the cutting edge of sustainable construction.

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Re: Do you like your job?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2007, 02:20:59 AM »
Thanks for the invite! depending on how the next year goes i shall surely do that. 

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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2007, 02:09:05 PM »
Zac,
When you join you get a free subscription to "Green Building Mag" this is very informative a for any eco-conscious builder. Subscribe now and I feel that it will help your development in any green career in construction.

Mark

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Re: Do you like your job?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2007, 09:06:02 PM »
And there is a student rate!

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 11:47:43 AM »
I'm neither a professional or a student but I've still found membership useful and interesting....

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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2007, 08:36:28 PM »
ok thanks again. i dont have a paid job at the moment, but joining this group does seem like a good idea and i hope to do so soon.  zac