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Alan Clarke

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solar panels - stagnation and reliability
« on: September 10, 2009, 04:06:34 PM »
Is there any long term evidence on the impact of high temperature stagnation on the reliability of different solar thermal systems?

The issue of stagnation comes up particularly when you try to get a higher solar yield - in summer you have more panels than you need so often by the afternoon the cylinder is hot, the pump is off and the panels at 170C or so.  I understand it is best to have systems that are arranged to get the working fluid out of the panels easily eg by a bottom connection for a flat panel, but how well do evacuated tubes work in this case, and are the heat-pipe ones better?

Also, do auto air valves above the panel help things? I imagine selctive venting of gases might upset the composition of the heat transfer fluid, and so better to design without, if possible.

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Re: solar panels - stagnation and reliability
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2009, 10:56:37 PM »
The issue of stagnation comes up particularly when you try to get a higher solar yield - in summer you have more panels than you need so often by the afternoon the cylinder is hot, the pump is off and the panels at 170C or so.  I understand it is best to have systems that are arranged to get the working fluid out of the panels easily eg by a bottom connection for a flat panel, but how well do evacuated tubes work in this case, and are the heat-pipe ones better?
The issue is the volume of pipe/manifold that is directly heated, which dictates the volume of gas that is formed in a well-designed system. Generally heat pipe ETs have least volume, then through-flow ETs and then flat plates. Good system design involves leading the pipes downwards from the manifold, among other things, so that gas does not preferentially rise into the pipe.

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Also, do auto air valves above the panel help things? I imagine selctive venting of gases might upset the composition of the heat transfer fluid, and so better to design without, if possible.
Auto-venting is a bad idea. The liquid that is lost has to be replaced and that may well upset the composition as you say and refilling usually involves manual intervention. A pressure relief valve is essential, but the system should be designed with an adequately large expansion vessel so that stagnation does not trigger sufficient pressure rise to cause venting.

An alternate solution is to add a heat dump mechanism - typically a radiator - through which flow is diverted to dissipate heat when the store is full. Sometimes the central heating circuit is used. Strategies are still required to deal with stagnation and overpressure should they occur.

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Is there any long term evidence on the impact of high temperature stagnation on the reliability of different solar thermal systems?
I expect there is but I can't cite it. You may well get an answer to this question on the Navitron forum if not here.

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Re: solar panels - stagnation and reliability
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 02:24:12 PM »
The option is to dump the excess heat - yes I know this is wasting energy, however this should be viewed as a safety circuit from a solar system. Most solar panels seem to be rated at around 170-200 deg C, therefore if you go away on holiday for two weeks during the hottest period, the panels may well achieve this. Recently have used this to dump the heat to towel rails in bathroom areas - we had this with a project this summer where the solar panels were in on the houses, but the houses had not been let - temperatures were recorded at 95 deg C in the solar panels, and the heat dump worked in sending the heat to the towel rails. This worked well and stop the panels overheating. The other better option is to increase the amount of storage for the solar energy so that the panels will not get in an overheat situation - however this is not always practical with space restrictions in modern housing. It is worth mentioning that many solar companies do not consider the overheat scenario - it will only take a hot summer (one year!) and the problems may become manifest.

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Re: solar panels - stagnation and reliability
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 10:42:44 AM »
the best option is to size the system correctly...unless you want the system to be unnecessarily expensive to install.

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Re: solar panels - stagnation and reliability
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2010, 06:59:34 PM »
Heat export is another overheat control option. You mustn't have a heat exchanger. It works with thermal stores, for example. When the sun is not shining hard you can export heat to the collector, say if the users are on holiday.

We do this with Solartwin. I built a mathematical model of this which was validated by field trials.

A short summary of the numerous theoretical overheat control methods in this video (at 1min 30 sec).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn3N7WngMEg

Our thermochromic approach is still at the development stage.

Hope this is interesting - Barry.


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