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    • #31761
      Anonymous

        Since triple glazing is very heavy (expensive!) the EU is researching in it's HarWin project new glazing methods.

        In particular triple glazing (three layers of glass panes ) must become lighter, the present weight being to heavy. High weights mean high costs, therefore standard triple glazing methods don't pay (no investment/energetic amortisation) when used for standard thermal insulation aplications.

        The aproach is to construct triple glazing units which can be installed in double-glazing frames, using leight weight materials (plastic panes, thinner glas panes, combining the two materials etc.).

        There are thousand of hits in foreign languages using google , but only 1 in English – so far:

        http://www.iesve.com/research/current-projects/harwin

        (Well, now with this posting there should be 2 hits)


        PS
        Not only the weight must be reduced but the lifetime must be increased as well. Standard triple glazing performs for 10-20 years.
        The HarWin project aims at a minimum lifetime for 30 years.

      • #38755
        Anonymous

          There are thousand of hits in foreign languages using google , but only 1 in English – so far

          Well, a European research project has a better web presence than one page on a participant's website, of course, and google finds it easily. Here's a page about the project on the CORDIS site:

          http://cordis.europa.eu/search/index.cfm?fuseaction=proj.document&PJ_LANG=EN&PJ_RCN=13049415&pid=30&q=57F24203FFB3C3496B6EF75CC25158DE&type=pro

          Good to know that at least EUR 3 438 313 of our tax money is being spent on something that might beuseful! This page lists all four similar projects that were started recently:

          http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=FP7_PROJ_EN&QZ_WEBSRCH=EeB.NMP.2012-5&QM_PJA=&USR_SORT=EN_QVD+CHAR+DESC

        • #38756

          I or any Canadian or US window company could tell them how to make glazing with the U-value of eight panes of glass and the weight of a single 4 mm pane. Clue … just buy some mass-market US windows and take apart the sealed unit, where you will find 2 to 2.5 mm heat-strengthened glass.

          If they care to buy my book in due course, they can learn more for a lot less than several million Euros!

        • #38757
          Tom Foster
          Participant

            glazing with the U-value of eight panes of glass and the weight of a single 4 mm pane

            give us a clue?

            my book in due course

            what? when?

          • #38758
            Anonymous

              my book in due course

              what? when?

              I'm with Tom. When? If it hasn't been printed yet, I'd love to proof-read it, and I promise to buy a copy when it does come out 🙂

            • #38759
              Mark Siddall
              Participant

                Dave,
                Well noted. In that case I have this particular research wrongly associated with what I saw in Hannover. The work presented at the conference was considerably well developed – it heard about samples of flexible ultra thin glass (0.3mm?) and saw photos of a glazing unit in a frame system. Pretty impressive.

                ….sounds like this other lot have some catching up to do.

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